| Route_70 |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 06:39 PM | Reply with quote #1 |
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| A person is born with his (or her) sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not a choice. The notion that homosexuality is an abomination is the point of view of the ignorant and the arrogant. |
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| Mae |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 06:48 PM | Reply with quote #2 |
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| I agree that it is not a choice. I find it unfortunate that people try to use God to promote negative attitudes about homosexuality. |
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| Lightfoot |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 07:38 PM | Reply with quote #3 |
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Route_70
Quote: Sexual orientation is not a choice
People, are born with all kinds of desires. It doesn't mean, they should just go out and fulfill those desires. The Christian gospel is about taking up your Cross and following someone who will lead you to Eternal Life. Its not about fulfilling every whim or desire that surfaces. Look, at our society. People, are changing their sex, others are pedophiles, whilst others are compulsive liars and cheat on their partners throughout their lives. Some people, are into incest and the list of sins goes on.
The scripture makes it clear:
Proverbs 14
There is a way that seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.
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| Archsage |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 07:46 PM | Reply with quote #4 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
A person is born with his (or her) sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not a choice. The notion that homosexuality is an abomination is the point of view of the ignorant and the arrogant.
Yes it is a 'choice'. Just like with the rest of all kinds of sexuality. One's sexuality certainly has both external (societal) and internal (biological) influences, but one's sexuality is wholly based on one's mindset. A mindset is volitional in nature. What this means, very basically, is that one's sexuality is a choice. It is for that reason why we condemn people for certain sexuality and applaud people for others.
Secondly, your concluding sentence (you know, your post really is lacking in substantive content) fails to vindicate itself. If your point is that homosexuality is not an abomination, you'll have to first define what you mean by abomination (and homosexuality for that matter) and then provide sound defense for your premise. Otherwise, we have pretty much no logical reason to believe a word of what you're saying. Logical reasoning is always good, and fun too, if all participants in argumentation keep a level head.
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| unluckynumber11 |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 07:56 PM | Reply with quote #5 |
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| I wasn't born with my "sexual orientation" if that's what we are calling it now. Next. |
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| Archsage |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 08:05 PM | Reply with quote #6 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by unluckynumber11
I wasn't born with my "sexual orientation" if that's what we are calling it now. Next.
Haha, you're having fun aren't you?  Nice response!
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| unluckynumber11 |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 10:19 PM | Reply with quote #7 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by ArchsageQuote: Originally Posted by unluckynumber11
I wasn't born with my "sexual orientation" if that's what we are calling it now. Next. Haha, you're having fun aren't you? Nice response! |
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| Blake1960 |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 10:45 PM | Reply with quote #8 |
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Males are born predisposed with a desire to penetrate another male's fecal canal?
So that would be a genetic mental disease?
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| Godboy |
| Posted 05/27/12 at 11:22 PM | Reply with quote #9 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
A person is born with his (or her) sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not a choice. The notion that homosexuality is an abomination is the point of view of the ignorant and the arrogant.
Your post consists of nothing more than a thesis statement. You've offered no justification, qualifications, or elaborations on what you've stated. In academia, that's worse than an F.
How do you know that people are born gay? And even if they are, what difference would that make? Does being born with a non-volitional propensity towards certain behaviors automatically make those behaviors okay? That is, are you honestly trying to argue that someone having been born with certain desires is grounds for eschewing that person's moral accountability in later years if she or he acts on such desires?
When you're ready to have a discussion, please think carefully about these questions. |
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| Damoksta |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 02:05 AM | Reply with quote #10 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
A person is born with his (or her) sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not a choice. The notion that homosexuality is an abomination is the point of view of the ignorant and the arrogant.
One could also use this to justify sexual contact at teenage years and the subsequent teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion, no? After all, they are "born heterosexual" and since their hormone is telling them to go for it, therefore it can't be wrong? |
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| itsallgood |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 02:24 AM | Reply with quote #11 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Blake1960
Males are born predisposed with a desire to penetrate another male's fecal canal?
So that would be a genetic mental disease?
No but your obsession about it is i think, either that or you have gay feelings you cannot deal with.
Males of that sort are born finding other males attractive (as i honestly think you understand far more than a true heterosexual man does after reading you posts), the sexual acts they perform are later expressions of that.
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| itsallgood |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 02:30 AM | Reply with quote #12 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by DamokstaOne could also use this to justify sexual contact at teenage years and the subsequent teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion, no?
After all, they are "born heterosexual" and since their hormone is telling them to go for it, therefore it can't be wrong? On some levels its not wrong, as you Christians like to point out "ITS NATURAL" for these feelings to emerge, however their are responsibilities to having a child so we educate teens to be responsible and teach them the consequences. Oh and in the US states that use proper modern sex ED the teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion rates are WAY LOWER than the moron states that chose the "its wrong christian abstinence" method.
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| Rostos |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 03:22 AM | Reply with quote #13 |
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If someone was born with a desire to lie (some humans are compulsive liars and cannot help it), does that mean it is right for them to continue to lie even though they know its wrong? |
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| Damoksta |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 03:25 AM | Reply with quote #14 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by itsallgoodQuote: Originally Posted by DamokstaOne could also use this to justify sexual contact at teenage years and the subsequent teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion, no?
After all, they are "born heterosexual" and since their hormone is telling them to go for it, therefore it can't be wrong? On some levels its not wrong, as you Christians like to point out "ITS NATURAL" for these feelings to emerge, however their are responsibilities to having a child so we educate teens to be responsible and teach them the consequences. Oh and in the US states that use proper modern sex ED the teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion rates are WAY LOWER than the moron states that chose the "its wrong christian abstinence" method.
And guess what, you're absolutely right on both accounts. Within a secular framework there is nothing wrong with it - as long as they pick up their responsibility. If secular people want to engage in that sort of behavior it's their call.
Within a Christian framework however - it's a whole different ballgame.
So really, it boils down to what framework you want to discuss homosexuality.
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| Rostos |
| Posted 05/28/12 at 03:34 AM | Reply with quote #15 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by DamokstaQuote: Originally Posted by itsallgoodQuote: Originally Posted by DamokstaOne could also use this to justify sexual contact at teenage years and the subsequent teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion, no?
After all, they are "born heterosexual" and since their hormone is telling them to go for it, therefore it can't be wrong? On some levels its not wrong, as you Christians like to point out "ITS NATURAL" for these feelings to emerge, however their are responsibilities to having a child so we educate teens to be responsible and teach them the consequences. Oh and in the US states that use proper modern sex ED the teenage pregnancy, STD and abortion rates are WAY LOWER than the moron states that chose the "its wrong christian abstinence" method.
And guess what, you're absolutely right on both accounts. Within a secular framework there is nothing wrong with it - as long as they pick up their responsibility. If secular people want to engage in that sort of behavior it's their call. Within a Christian framework however - it's a whole different ballgame. So really, it boils down to what framework you want to discuss homosexuality. I think this is heading down the path of, you are born with it, therefore it is right to follow it.... The fact that they are saying you are born with it is trying to show that, how can homosexuality be a sin if God created Humans this way... This is what it boils down to. |
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