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Jehanne
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    09/29/09 at 10:41 AMReply with quote#1

Everyone,

As you can see by my previous posts, I came to this board as an atheist.  In June, I returned to my Catholic faith and confessed my sins to a Catholic priest, who granted me absolution and lifted my excommunication from the Church.  I think that religious faith versus atheism/agnosticism is seeing 'the glass' as being half-full as opposed to half-empty.  Even Dawkins, in his The God Delusion, admits the possibility of God's existence, stating in his lectures that he is a 6.8 on his 1 to 7 scale.  Converting this equal-interval scale to a ratio scale means that Dawkins believes that there is a 1 in 30 chance that God exists.  Not too bad, even by his standards.

What convinced me?  Well, probably, the Argument from Consciousness, and especially, the private notes from the late Mother Teresa.  Dr. Craig, to my knowledge, has never used this argument in any of his debates.  For me, however, it is a compelling argument, basically, that we are something more than just "molecules in motion."  I think that this is an insurmountable problem for modern atheistic apologetics.

Faith need not be absolute.  I can admit that I could be wrong.  So, on Dawkins' scale, I would put myself around the 2.5 to 3.0 mark.

Cheers,

Don
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    09/29/09 at 10:53 AMReply with quote#2

Congratulations Don.  Welcome back.


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    09/29/09 at 10:57 AMReply with quote#3

Welcome back to Christ! Your not the only one. Many are presently returning. So you don't have to feel alone there, and I believe this blog should be of help to you:
http://www.conversiondiary.com/


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    09/29/09 at 11:25 AMReply with quote#4

AWESOME!  Persevere my friend.
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hatsoff
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    09/29/09 at 11:44 AMReply with quote#5

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jehanne
As you can see by my previous posts, I came to this board as an atheist. In June, I returned to my Catholic faith and confessed my sins to a Catholic priest, who granted me absolution and lifted my excommunication from the Church. I think that religious faith versus atheism/agnosticism is seeing 'the glass' as being half-full as opposed to half-empty. Even Dawkins, in his The God Delusion, admits the possibility of God's existence, stating in his lectures that he is a 6.8 on his 1 to 7 scale. Converting this equal-interval scale to a ratio scale means that Dawkins believes that there is a 1 in 30 chance that God exists. Not too bad, even by his standards.

What convinced me? Well, probably, the Argument from Consciousness, and especially, the private notes from the late Mother Teresa. Dr. Craig, to my knowledge, has never used this argument in any of his debates. For me, however, it is a compelling argument, basically, that we are something more than just "molecules in motion." I think that this is an insurmountable problem for modern atheistic apologetics.

Faith need not be absolute. I can admit that I could be wrong. So, on Dawkins' scale, I would put myself around the 2.5 to 3.0 mark.


While I would prefer that folks not believe in what I consider to be nonexistent deities, I am certainly happy for you, given that you appear to yourself be quite happy in your situation.

Catholicism has a lot to offer.  I suggest you take advantage of the rich tradition and high church.  You will be able to appreciate it best as a believer, so you have a very nice opportunity to do so.

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jonahbear
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    09/29/09 at 01:36 PMReply with quote#6

Welcome home! :-)


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    09/29/09 at 01:38 PMReply with quote#7

It's interesting because from my point of view, Mother Theresa private notes is in contradiction with Craig's apologetics (about the inner testimony of the holy spirit, and the rationality of faith).

“The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God.

In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God and that he does not really exist.”

Where is the Holy Spirit???


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jonahbear
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    09/29/09 at 02:09 PMReply with quote#8

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It's interesting because from my point of view, Mother Theresa private notes is in contradiction with Craig's apologetics (about the inner testimony of the holy spirit, and the rationality of faith).

“The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God.

In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God and that he does not really exist.”

Where is the Holy Spirit???


Though I find the Mother Teresa discussion interesting, this is hardly the thread for it.

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    09/29/09 at 02:23 PMReply with quote#9

Quote:
Originally Posted by parklife
It's interesting because from my point of view, Mother Theresa private notes is in contradiction with Craig's apologetics (about the inner testimony of the holy spirit, and the rationality of faith).

“The damned of Hell suffer eternal punishment because they experiment with the loss of God.

In my own soul, I feel the terrible pain of this loss. I feel that God does not want me, that God is not God and that he does not really exist.”

Where is the Holy Spirit???



Parklife,

It's obvious from previous posts you know little about Christian theology, let alone what the Holy Spirit is about. You've lied and dodged about Dr. Craig being evasive about the Holy Spirit a number of times. You did nothing more than cower away:

http://rfforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=35486649&postcount=1
http://rfforum.websitetoolbox.com/post/show_single_post?pid=35488427&postcount=7
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You like so many shallow-minded New Atheists use Mother Theresa's words from her book, yet always fail to realize that the Roman Catholic church still embraced that book, that Mother Theresa was still a Christian despite her doubts, and that you morons think that Christians don't ever doubt. More on this alleged smoking gun on Mother Theresa:



But what is it that we know about Parklife:

1. He doesn't know much about the Holy Spirit.
2. He quotes Mother Theresa's doubts despite the fact she died a Christian.
3. He quotes Mother Theresa where she doesn't mention the Holy Spirit, then strawman's her and thinks that since she didn't use the Holy Spirit's name, therefore, this counts as a refutation of the Holy Spirit. (That's a lame argument. That's like me saying "Since parklife didn't mention cotton candy in this forum so far, he believes it's false.")
4. He's being evasive about William Lane Craig's view on the Holy Spirit and continues to refuse to quote Craig where he is allegedly being evasive.
5. Parklife uses lies to make an argument.


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    09/29/09 at 02:24 PMReply with quote#10

Jehanne, while I am no longer a Catholic myself, it is still my favorite version of Christianity. It is the only christian service I feel remotely comfortable in. I received a doctorate level degree from a catholic institution.  I am a fan of Catholicism. 

As an often fierce agnostic/deist, I am also a fierce proponent of people finding their own spiritual path in an honest and sincere way, and respecting the individual's determination of such. 

So, good for you.

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Jehanne
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    09/29/09 at 02:25 PMReply with quote#11

Thanks everyone for your kind comments.

parklife
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    09/29/09 at 02:35 PMReply with quote#12

It looks like someone should change his username to Fanofparklife

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Fanofdrcraig
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    09/29/09 at 02:37 PMReply with quote#13

LOL! Well, following your logic then I guess you should change your username to "Fanofdrcraig" then.
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    09/29/09 at 03:08 PMReply with quote#14

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 LOL! Well, following your logic then I guess you should change your username to "Fanofdrcraig" then.

lol

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ubi2002
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    09/29/09 at 03:11 PMReply with quote#15

Welcome back Don! I'm thankful that you have come back to Christ!

Who was the person who came to Christ after reading Reasonable Faith on this thread. It was a while back, but I don't remember this individual's name...

Anyways, tcampen, what differences in Catholic Christianity from Pretestant Christianity do you find more likeable? I'm personally interested in Catholicism myself but I do not seem to see too much differences.

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