Lightfoot
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:15 AM | Reply with quote | #1 |
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Theists welcomed of course
I don't understand most atheists. If you don't believe God exists, and that this life is the only life you will ever live. That you only have a short time with this life. That "meaning" to you, is what you attach to it, that your life has "meaning.'
Then why on earth are you not out enjoying a cheesburger, or picking up a hot woman or if your a lady picking up your dream man, or just utilizing the short time that is so meaningful to you before you waiste it on trying to convince people for the most part you will never convince?
I mean, if your looking to make a difference in the world and to help as many people as you can, by all means, feed the hungry, go work in a soup kitchen or get involved in programs that bring the most change and benefit to people. But spending time --YOUR PRECIOUS TIME THAT MEANS SO MUCH--on something that will bear the least amount of "fruit" doesn't make any sense. I mean, I would never waiste so much time arguing about Santa Claus or Zeus!
So go out! Get off the computer, enjoy the sunshine, reconnect with a long lost loved one, at every turn, get enjoying the little life you have. Why if you feel God is a fantasy, are you so committed to the fantasy that you can change people? If God is a fantasy, why bother waisting most of your time arguing about something you don't believe in, that doesn't exist and has no good arguments?
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 11:41 AM | Reply with quote | #2 |
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Thats my main beef with "atheists"...I can "get" christians on forums...but I just dont get atheists on forums. Agnostics, or people searching...makes sense...but for someone who 100% denies the existence of the supernatural + spiritual domain that DECIDES to spend their precious moments here on earth spewing bitterness, sarcasm, personal attacks with (most often than not) stinking arrogance...I dont get it.
Ive asked this question before and the #1 response I got was "cause we enjoy it". Which then brings us to the realization that these people rather ENJOY spending hours on end typing to complete strangers with disdain/intellectual disgust than seeing family + friends/building positive relationships with real people they can actually touch.
Rsmartin comes to mind immediatly...get off the computer woman, find yourself a man and stop trying to convince yourself that your atheist life has any real meaning by going online ever day and spewing out your garbage feelings + false superiority against a group of people you strongly believe are "wasting their time and intelligence"anyways for believing in a God that 100% certainly isn't there". Totally illogical.
Atleast the believers here (you hope-so anyways) are here at best to try to get other people to see the positive "thruths" they believe are giving their lives true meaning with good intentions...while a lot of "atheists" here (there are a few exceptions though, I think snakes can be ok most of the time in my opinion and is actually funny to read) seem to be arrogantly pushing them off their plastic horses in the merry-go-round of life cause they "cant possibily be having more joy/fun than me for silly little beliefs I dont agree with, gaw-faw harrumpff"...with bad intentions, or at best, for their own personal selfish entertainment (by lowering a whole group of people they find "below" themselves).
Im also a member in 2 other atheist forums (I dont post much here) and its pretty much the same attitude. Anyone can pick out the theists from the atheists just by smelling the stench of condescending attitude.
Serious, youve got 1 life to live, if youve made up your mind 100% then why the hell are you wasting your time on something "you enjoy" that has absolutely no value (other than PERHAPS trying to get someone to "see the athiest light" and free them of the "evil clutches of christianity" which I still fail to see btw)... I mean masturbation can be a passtime and you can enjoy it...but its still masturbation...
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fkeefe
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| | 04/06/09 at 11:47 AM | Reply with quote | #3 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by LightfootTheists welcomed of course I don't understand most atheists. If you don't believe God exists, and that this life is the only life you will ever live. That you only have a short time with this life. That "meaning" to you, is what you attach to it, that your life has "meaning.' Then why on earth are you not out enjoying a cheesburger, or picking up a hot woman or if your a lady picking up your dream man, or just utilizing the short time that is so meaningful to you before you waiste it on trying to convince people for the most part you will never convince? I mean, if your looking to make a difference in the world and to help as many people as you can, by all means, feed the hungry, go work in a soup kitchen or get involved in programs that bring the most change and benefit to people. But spending time --YOUR PRECIOUS TIME THAT MEANS SO MUCH--on something that will bear the least amount of "fruit" doesn't make any sense. I mean, I would never waiste so much time arguing about Santa Claus or Zeus! So go out! Get off the computer, enjoy the sunshine, reconnect with a long lost loved one, at every turn, get enjoying the little life you have. Why if you feel God is a fantasy, are you so committed to the fantasy that you can change people? If God is a fantasy, why bother waisting most of your time arguing about something you don't believe in, that doesn't exist and has no good arguments?
But who knows if seeds that are planted here might become fruitful in their lives.Wasnt it Elijah who questioned God about Israel and the evil that had come upon them but God said there were 7000 who had not bowed their knee to Baal. Romans 11:3 "Lord, they have killed thy prophets, they have demolished thy altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life." Romans 11:4 But what is God's reply to him? "I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Ba'al." So let the atheists debate here and let the Holy Spirit do His work.
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 11:54 AM | Reply with quote | #4 |
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Quote: So let the atheists debate here and let the Holy Spirit do His work.
From a christian perspective this could make sense...but from a non-believer's point of view can't some of them actually realize the foolishness of their selfish-waste-of-time behavior?
ps: Ive never personally seen/witnessed a hardcore atheist ever have the "holy spirit" work on them in a forum...but thats just my experience (anyone here ever see that happen in their experience?)
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Emilygreen
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| | 04/06/09 at 11:54 AM | Reply with quote | #5 |
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I can't speak for all atheists, but I enjoy discussing philosophical and theological issues more than eating a cheeseburger. There are many aspects of Christianity that I love, even though I don't personally subscribe to the religion as a whole. I also don't want to change anyone's mind. It would be a great tragedy if the entire world suddenly became atheist. My reason for coming here is to instead have my own beliefs challenged, which would be near impossible in a setting which everyone agreed with my world view. So to all the Christians out there, thank you. Please keep being Christian. I hope that we may continue to analyze each other's beliefs so that both sides may find opportunities for growth and move increasingly closer to the truth. |
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skunker
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:06 PM | Reply with quote | #6 |
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For theists, I posted this elsewhere (it's from Mother Theresa):
People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.
What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.
Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.
In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.
Now, for atheists, I think they like to argue because for some of them, it's "one last chance" to "hope" they are right. If the atheist can convince a theist that they are rational, then the atheist will feel more confident with their beliefs. I think every atheist has at least that 1% of thought that they could be wrong in their beliefs. So does the theist, but to the atheist the consequences are more profound. By constantly arguing in a forum like this one, the atheist is trying really hard to get that 1% to go away. |
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Lightfoot
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:10 PM | Reply with quote | #7 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by EmilygreenI can't speak for all atheists, but I enjoy discussing philosophical and theological issues more than eating a cheeseburger. There are many aspects of Christianity that I love, even though I don't personally subscribe to the religion as a whole. I also don't want to change anyone's mind. It would be a great tragedy if the entire world suddenly became atheist. My reason for coming here is to instead have my own beliefs challenged, which would be near impossible in a setting which everyone agreed with my world view. So to all the Christians out there, thank you. Please keep being Christian. I hope that we may continue to analyze each other's beliefs so that both sides may find opportunities for growth and move increasingly closer to the truth.
I should have qualified my post. I am not so much directing this to you who has an open mind and is willing to listen. But I don't get people, who use so much of their time to argue about something they feel is equal to Santa Claus?
That's like me going over to the Force.net and arguing that Anakin could have been saved had he just listened to Mace Windu, because Mace Windu had the Emperor where he wanted him!
I mean, sure that converation can happen, but to happen again and again and again, seems rather pointless and unhealthy.
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:13 PM | Reply with quote | #8 |
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If ever I came to the conclusion that there is no god/spiritual realm with 100% atheist assurance...I guarantee I would get my azz off forums like this one, stop reading books on the subject (since im already 100% convinced of my view, why continue to bother?)...and I would completly ignore any debate with christians and not give a crap cause it would be a solved issue for me...I would have the attitude "i dont piss in their cornflakes...they wont piss in mine"...and if ever some did, again...I wouldnt be hostile or annoyed, I would just feel pity...and shrug 'em off.
Thats my 2 cents.
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:14 PM | Reply with quote | #9 |
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Quote: By constantly arguing in a forum like this one, the atheist is trying really hard to get that 1% to go away
I would have to agree with this statement.
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forhisglory
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:18 PM | Reply with quote | #11 |
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Quote: That's like me going over to the Force.net and arguing that Anakin could have been saved had he just listened to Mace Windu, because Mace Windu had the Emperor where he wanted him!
Thats why I think, in a way, its all Mace Windu's fault Anakin turned...think about it, he should have wasted him right away instead of pointing his lightsaber at his neck for 15 seconds...slaughter the sob and then anakin would most probably have been killed right after by Mace aswell (no distractions)...
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general_knox
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:20 PM | Reply with quote | #12 |
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Quote: Hey general, how's it going man?
Interested in this current topic actually...I hope it gets a good turnout cause it would be great to psychoanalyze those peeps in here!!
You?
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forhisglory
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:22 PM | Reply with quote | #13 |
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| I'm good, just hoping my Tarheels pull it off tonight!!! I agree, it is an interesting question to pose. |
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harvey1
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:43 PM | Reply with quote | #14 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by general_knox
If ever I came to the conclusion that there is no god/spiritual realm with 100% atheist assurance...I guarantee I would get my azz off forums like this one, stop reading books on the subject (since im already 100% convinced of my view, why continue to bother?)...and I would completly ignore any debate with christians and not give a crap cause it would be a solved issue for me...I would have the attitude "i dont piss in their cornflakes...they wont piss in mine"...and if ever some did, again...I wouldnt be hostile or annoyed, I would just feel pity...and shrug 'em off.
Thats my 2 cents.
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harvey1
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| | 04/06/09 at 12:50 PM | Reply with quote | #15 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by skunker
By constantly arguing in a forum like this one, the atheist is trying really hard to get that 1% to go away.
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