| David |
| Posted 05/29/07 at 02:42 PM | Reply with quote #1 |
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After reading Dr. Craig's article, "Lest Anyone Should Fall": A Middle Knowledge Perspective on Perseverance and Apostolic Warnings,
<http://www.reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5204>, it seems to me that Dr. Craig assumes or works on the premise that the warnings of apostasy are directed to believers in the church. Correct me if I am mistaken. However, could it not be that the church, as it is today, is comprised of a combination of believers and unbelievers imitating believers, and that the warnings are directed toward the latter group? Rather than the means by which true believers persevere, perhaps these warnings are the means by which nominal Christians (i.e. those who have associated with the church and may be only known to God as unbelievers) realize their need for true faith in Christ?
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| harvey1 |
| Posted 05/30/07 at 01:18 AM | Reply with quote #2 |
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You know Jesus was executed by those who accused him of being an apostate. As a matter of fact, so was Peter, Paul, James, and so many other apostles and disciples of Jesus. It's just something to think about... |
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| Tripp |
| Posted 10/21/07 at 04:17 PM | Reply with quote #3 |
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My own position on apostolic warnings is that I believe that they should be understood in as being in parrallel with the mosaic and prophetic warnings in Judaism. This is indicated by the fact that the writer of Hebrews draws upon this in pronouncing these warnings. While Israel never ceased to be God's chosen nation under the old covenant, God inflicted terrible judgement on them when they rebelled. Therefore the apostolic warnings are addressed to believers, but they do not imply a loss of eternal salvation, but of some type of divine recourse. This is consistent with passages such as 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. This seems to me to be the most pausible interpretation, and one that Craig overlooks in "Lest Anyone Should Fall". |
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| Will |
| Posted 12/20/07 at 07:48 PM | Reply with quote #4 |
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Quote: Therefore the apostolic warnings are addressed to believers, but they do not imply a loss of eternal salvation, but of some type of divine recourse.
What do you do with Heb. 3:14
[inference] You have become partakers of Christ
[evidence] If you hold fast the beginning of your confession firm until the end"
The outcome of falling away, appears, not just a "divine recourse, but the evidence that you are not a partaker of Christ. How can one still be saved but not a partaker of Christ? Or in union with Christ, or joined to His N.C. Atonement (depending what you extend the partaking to).
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