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jonahbear
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Posted 06/22/12 at 02:18 PM
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http://ca.movies.yahoo.com/news/paul-verhoeven-finds-backing-writer-controversial-jesus-christ-002459930 The famed director of such epics as Showgirls and Basic Instinct sets out to show off his theolgical prowess. ....rots of ruck. edit: Just noticed the type-o in Verhoeven's name in the topic.
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Lawlessone777
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Posted 06/22/12 at 02:22 PM
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http://www.movies.ie/movie%20news/Roger_Avary_Adapting_Paul_Verhoevens_JESUS_OF_NAZARETH
*facapalm*
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Quote: Deadline is reporting that Roger Avary (‘Rules of Attraction,’ ‘Pulp Fiction’) has closed a deal to adapt filmmaker Paul Verhoeven's controversial book ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Verhoeven, a member of the Jesus Seminar, spent two decades researching the subject, immersing himself in the history in order to construct a nonspiritual view of Jesus. The Dutch filmmaker has plans to direct the story which strips away all the miracles that inform the New Testament including the Immaculate Conception and the resurrection. We may as well cite PETA when making a movie about animals for all the historical credibility the Jesus Seminar brings to the table. |
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jonahbear
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Posted 06/22/12 at 02:50 PM
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I enjoyed Verhoeven's view that people use Jesus as an excuse for bad behavior. I mean, really? Do we actually see that as a prevailing problem in society? I think not. This guy represents the leftist of the lefties and the fact that the Jesus Seminar allow him to participate in their club only devalues their scholarship even more. (though the colored beads really don't help their credibility).
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Mae
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Posted 06/22/12 at 03:18 PM
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The hate for the JS is so strong here haha
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Lawlessone777
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Posted 06/22/12 at 03:27 PM
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That tends to happen when you take something as precious as someone's religious faith and decide to rewrite it using a "critical" approach which has within the tenants of its' methodology the presumption that Christianity's chief tenant is false.
"Now with the fact that God doesn't exist and miracles don't happen in mind, let's study the Bible and come to the shocking conclusion that Jesus wasn't God."
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Mae
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Posted 06/22/12 at 03:36 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lawlessone777That tends to happen when you take something as precious as someone's religious faith and decide to rewrite it using a "critical" approach which has within the tenants of its' methodology the presumption that Christianity's chief tenant is false.
"Now with the fact that God doesn't exist and miracles don't happen in mind, let's study the Bible and come to the shocking conclusion that Jesus wasn't God."
Of course if someone believes in the supernatural, then the JS assuming the supernatural is not true is absurd to them. But to other people who also do not believe in the supernatural, the JS is able to help them look at Christianity in a way they can accept.
I don't base my theology on the JS, but I think the hate and mocking of them gets too carried away by many Christians.
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depthcharge623
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Posted 06/22/12 at 03:43 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Mae
The hate for the JS is so strong here haha
For me it's more disrespect than hatred. The group is too homogeneously liberal for me to take their "consesus" regarding anything biblical as more than just a fairly fringe minority voicing their opinion. It's not a lot different to me than putting Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in a group with a bunch of other like-minded individuals and taking their consesus on the origins of life from a theological perspective as some sort of meaningful or definitive statement.
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Mae
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Posted 06/22/12 at 03:51 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by depthcharge623Quote: Originally Posted by Mae
The hate for the JS is so strong here haha For me it's more disrespect than hatred. The group is too homogeneously liberal for me to take their "consesus" regarding anything biblical as more than just a fairly fringe minority voicing their opinion. It's not a lot different to me than putting Ken Ham, Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron in a group with a bunch of other like-minded individuals and taking their consesus on the origins of life from a theological perspective as some sort of meaningful or definitive statement.
I often see the "consensus" issue brought up. In all the time I have looked into the JS, I have never once read where they claim to speak for a consensus. Critics often claim that the JS says they speak for a consensus, but I have found no record of such a thing.
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JudeNebula
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Posted 06/22/12 at 04:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lawlessone777http://www.movies.ie/movie%20news/Roger_Avary_Adapting_Paul_Verhoevens_JESUS_OF_NAZARETH
*facapalm*
And I quote:
Quote: Deadline is reporting that Roger Avary (‘Rules of Attraction,’ ‘Pulp Fiction’) has closed a deal to adapt filmmaker Paul Verhoeven's controversial book ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Verhoeven, a member of the Jesus Seminar, spent two decades researching the subject, immersing himself in the history in order to construct a nonspiritual view of Jesus. The Dutch filmmaker has plans to direct the story which strips away all the miracles that inform the New Testament including the Immaculate Conception and the resurrection. We may as well cite PETA when making a movie about animals for all the historical credibility the Jesus Seminar brings to the table.
Of the over 200 members of the Jesus Seminar, Verhoeven is the ONLY ONE who doesn't have a degree in biblical scholarship.
1 out 200.
So who is being dishonest when you make claims like you just did?
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JudeNebula
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Posted 06/22/12 at 04:02 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lawlessone777http://www.movies.ie/movie%20news/Roger_Avary_Adapting_Paul_Verhoevens_JESUS_OF_NAZARETH
*facapalm*
And I quote:
Quote: Deadline is reporting that Roger Avary (‘Rules of Attraction,’ ‘Pulp Fiction’) has closed a deal to adapt filmmaker Paul Verhoeven's controversial book ‘Jesus of Nazareth.’ Verhoeven, a member of the Jesus Seminar, spent two decades researching the subject, immersing himself in the history in order to construct a nonspiritual view of Jesus. The Dutch filmmaker has plans to direct the story which strips away all the miracles that inform the New Testament including the Immaculate Conception and the resurrection. We may as well cite PETA when making a movie about animals for all the historical credibility the Jesus Seminar brings to the table.
Of the over 200 members of the Jesus Seminar, Verhoeven is the ONLY ONE who doesn't have a degree in biblical scholarship.
1 out 200.
So who is being dishonest when you make claims like you just did?
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Lawlessone777
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Posted 06/22/12 at 04:15 PM
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I didn't make any claims about anything, I was expressing my exasperation at the fact that he's citing the Jesus Seminar, a group of people whose methodology precludes the supernnatural when investigating Christianity. It's well and truly asinine. You're okay with this because it's speaking out against the religious faith you yourself are hostile towards, however I imagine if a committee was formed of radically conservative young earth creationists who decided to "investigate" the validity of Darwinian Evolution you'd be howling your indignation from the rooftops.
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MorleyMcMorson
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Posted 06/22/12 at 06:26 PM
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C'mon, Basic Instinct is pretty entertaining. So is Showgirls, actually.
Don't knock it till you try is all I'm saying. If you don't find those entertaining, well, too bad for you.
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JudeNebula
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Posted 06/22/12 at 07:22 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by MorleyMcMorson
C'mon, Basic Instinct is pretty entertaining. So is Showgirls, actually.
Don't knock it till you try is all I'm saying. If you don't find those entertaining, well, too bad for you.
He also made Total Recall and Robocop. He's won two academy awards.
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JudeNebula
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Posted 06/22/12 at 07:31 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lawlessone777
I didn't make any claims about anything, I was expressing my exasperation at the fact that he's citing the Jesus Seminar, a group of people whose methodology precludes the supernnatural when investigating Christianity. It's well and truly asinine. You're okay with this because it's speaking out against the religious faith you yourself are hostile towards, however I imagine if a committee was formed of radically conservative young earth creationists who decided to "investigate" the validity of Darwinian Evolution you'd be howling your indignation from the rooftops.
1)I've bolded for you where you have made a mistake. I know WLC told you that to believe, but it is simply false. Members were allowed to vote anyway they chose. There was no ruling that it could not have been supernatural beforehand.
That is just a plain lie.
2) These scholars were gathered from the top institutions in the country..with something like 36 members being from Harvard, Vanderbilt alone.. There is no group of YEC in Ivy league schools.
I'm sorry if you don't think gathering the top academics at the top schools is a good idea..but maybe that's because they don't believe what you want them to believe..
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MorleyMcMorson
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Posted 06/22/12 at 10:24 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by JudeNebulaQuote: Originally Posted by MorleyMcMorson
C'mon, Basic Instinct is pretty entertaining. So is Showgirls, actually.
Don't knock it till you try is all I'm saying. If you don't find those entertaining, well, too bad for you.
He also made Total Recall and Robocop. He's won two academy awards.
Didn't really like Total Recall (or Starship Troopers). Have yet to see Robocop. Basic Instinct is pretty good, though, and Showgirls is atrocious but entertaining.
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