| Lightfoot |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 01:40 PM | Reply with quote #16 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
Why is it that apologists find it necessary to put words into the mouths of atheists?
Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
Just like you, I once was bogged down in mythology and superstition.
Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70
Furthermore, like you, I struggled with my beliefs -- wondering, doubting, unsure and constantly in need of reassurance.
Sounds to me like your putting your experience on others rather than others putting words in your mouth.
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| innerbling |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 01:43 PM | Reply with quote #17 |
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Quote: Why is it that apologists find it necessary to put words into the mouths of atheists?
Epistemological nihilism is essentially:
Quote: No more struggling with having to "prove" my position.
Hence I am not misrepresenting your position in any way. Also epistemological nihilism follows necessarily from your atheism thus I am not misrepresenting your position in that sense either.
Quote: Nevertheless, your post infers that dogmatism is preferable to arbitrariness. Really? You'd rather be fooled into believing a falsehood than to say "I don't know?" Being fooled is preferable to being ignorant?
No I am not fooled into believing anything but I understand that Christianity is the only way we can have epistemic certainty hence knowledge.
Furthermore your post is incoherent as where do you get this "falsehood" or "truthful" if your position is "I don't know"?
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| Route_70 |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 03:25 PM | Reply with quote #18 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Lawlessone777
... Neitzche's abyss ...
A one-track mind is the result of the indoctrination that you have received. |
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| TheProblemOfAtheism |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 06:55 PM | Reply with quote #19 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70Quote: Originally Posted by TheProblemOfAtheismSo when do you plan on giving up your myths and superstitions?
I do not believe in Santa Clause or the Easter Bunny or the Tooth Fairy or the Boogey Man or litte green men on Mars. I do not believe that aliens from other planets arwe visiting us in UFO's. I do not believe in "Big Foot." I do not believe that the world is going to end on December 21, 2012.
I do not believe in the existence of a supreme being.
So, which myths and superstitions would that be?
But you do believe that nature all around us came about on accident.
When will you give up that myth? |
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| Route_70 |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 09:42 PM | Reply with quote #20 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheProblemOfAtheism
... you do believe that nature all around us came about on accident.
That is not what I believe.
Furthermore, this is an example of what I have been saying: Christians are so arrogant as to presume to know what atheists believe and why. |
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| Route_70 |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 09:44 PM | Reply with quote #21 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by innerblingEpistemological nihilism is essentially:
Hence I am not misrepresenting your position in any way. Also epistemological nihilism follows necessarily from your atheism thus I am not misrepresenting your position in that sense either.
No I am not fooled into believing anything but I understand that Christianity is the only way we can have epistemic certainty hence knowledge.
Furthermore your post is incoherent as where do you get this "falsehood" or "truthful" if your position is "I don't know"?
What a crock! |
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| troyjs |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 10:12 PM | Reply with quote #22 |
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Quote: Christians are so arrogant as to presume to know what atheists believe and why.
Are you presuming that all christians are so arrogant, or just some?
Your position does not logically follow from your statement.
Quote: A one-track mind is the result of the indoctrination that you have received.
A two-track mind is the result of schizophrenia.
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| SueDoeNimm |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 10:57 PM | Reply with quote #23 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70Just like you, I once was bogged down in mythology and superstition. My well-meaning parents had reared me to be a believer in something that is not tenable. I lived the first several years of my life concerned that there is an eternal destiny for all of mankind, namely heaven, a good place, and hell, a very, very bad place. I spent the first several years of my life concerned and worried for friends and family and their eternal condition. Furthermore, like you, I struggled with my beliefs -- wondering, doubting, unsure and constantly in need of reassurance.
Thankfully, I grew up and came to understand that Santa Clause is not real; the Easter Bunny is not real; the Boogey Man is not real; heaven is not real; hell is not real; God is not real. No more sleepless nights worrying about Johnny; praying for Johnny; "Oh God! Please help Johnny to see the error of his ways! Please save Johnny before it is too late!"
Ah, peace at last! Atheism offers a peace that theism never can. No more struggling with having to "prove" my position. No more throwing away money to a charlatan who claims to have all the answers. No more of this, this silly "apologetics!"
Ah, the peace and serenity of unbelief!
Yes, that peace comes with it. But then there are sobering realizations. We are on our own. We are responsible for ourselves. We have to deal with the good and the bad without a cosmic equalizer.
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| snoochies |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 10:58 PM | Reply with quote #24 |
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To the TS,
I posted my testimony on here that is open to interpretation. You may like the read, it seems we have both crossed paths at some stage. Yours from Christianity to Atheism, mine from Atheism to Christianity. You have peace in Atheism, I have peace in Christianity. Peace I guess is subjective.
Cheers
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| Rostos |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 11:24 PM | Reply with quote #25 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by SueDoeNimmQuote: Originally Posted by Route_70Just like you, I once was bogged down in mythology and superstition. My well-meaning parents had reared me to be a believer in something that is not tenable. I lived the first several years of my life concerned that there is an eternal destiny for all of mankind, namely heaven, a good place, and hell, a very, very bad place. I spent the first several years of my life concerned and worried for friends and family and their eternal condition. Furthermore, like you, I struggled with my beliefs -- wondering, doubting, unsure and constantly in need of reassurance.
Thankfully, I grew up and came to understand that Santa Clause is not real; the Easter Bunny is not real; the Boogey Man is not real; heaven is not real; hell is not real; God is not real. No more sleepless nights worrying about Johnny; praying for Johnny; "Oh God! Please help Johnny to see the error of his ways! Please save Johnny before it is too late!"
Ah, peace at last! Atheism offers a peace that theism never can. No more struggling with having to "prove" my position. No more throwing away money to a charlatan who claims to have all the answers. No more of this, this silly "apologetics!"
Ah, the peace and serenity of unbelief! Yes, that peace comes with it. But then there are sobering realizations. We are on our own. We are responsible for ourselves. We have to deal with the good and the bad without a cosmic equalizer. I sppose it is a great feeling that you can essentially do what you want, how you want and when you want with no eternal consequences...? |
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| Rostos |
| Posted 05/15/12 at 11:24 PM | Reply with quote #26 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route_70Quote: Originally Posted by TheProblemOfAtheism
... you do believe that nature all around us came about on accident.
That is not what I believe.
Furthermore, this is an example of what I have been saying: Christians are so arrogant as to presume to know what atheists believe and why. So what is it that you believe? |
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| idunno |
| Posted 05/16/12 at 01:36 AM | Reply with quote #27 |
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Quote: Your position does not logically follow from your statement.
Troy was this dry humor? If so it was genius  |
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| Route_70 |
| Posted 05/16/12 at 08:25 AM | Reply with quote #28 |
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| Christianity offers this:
1. You are born a sinner.
2. Because of your sins you are destined to spend an eternity languishing in eternal torment in an eternal flame.
3. Even though you were born that way God is justified in consigning you to eternal torment for your sins.
4. God has provided a way out: trust in his son Jesus Christ, and he will absolve you of your sins (you don't have to quit sinning -- just acknowledge Christ as savior).
5. After you have accepted Jesus as your savior you can rest in the assurance that you will not spend an eternity languishing in the eternal flames of hell (you will, however, bear the burden of worrying whether or not your friends and relatives have trusted Christ as savior). |
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| innerbling |
| Posted 05/16/12 at 08:26 AM | Reply with quote #29 |
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Quote: Originally Posted by Route 70
What a crock!
So you get truth and falsehood from a crock but you do not know what crock is so you ask what a crock!
Ah but lack of question mark tells me that your intention is not to really know what a crock is but it was more of an rhetorical question.
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| Tetelestai |
| Posted 05/16/12 at 08:47 AM | Reply with quote #30 |
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I hate to rain on the parade but you sure do not seem to have a lot of peace in this thread. Basically you are railing against Christians and the horror of the God they believe in according to your interpretation.
But that is besides the point. Why, given the peace you experience, do you feel compelled to argue with others about the peace they have in Christ? What makes your peace better? Why did you feel compelled to come to an apologetics website in the first place? Surely if you truly had peace you'd not be bothered by "silly apologetics"? I struggle to understand the type of peace you have.
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