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bdsimon
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Posted 07/07/12
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See this story. I find this to be an interesting case and yes I did sensationalize the thread title on purpose hoping to generate some interest. I have eaten at restaurants similar to this one that offered the same discount or offered 10% to the church for receipts on certain nights which served as a contribution. What do you all think?
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Rostos
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Posted 07/07/12
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How does this differ from bringing in a coupon to a store from a certain newspaper and getting something for free?
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Drea
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Posted 07/07/12
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Talk about being obsessive!
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Noraaron
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Posted 07/07/12
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I agree with the old man. It is discrimination.
Burn down the restraunt!!!
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Matthias
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Posted 07/07/12
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There are creedally atheistic religious organizations - Ethical Culture, &c. - so presumably if the restaurant means "religious organization" by "church" they have the right of it. If not then there's obviously religious discrimination, just as surely as if they offered a Muslim Tuesdays discount.
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TheProblemOfAtheism
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Posted 07/07/12
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What a terrible thing to do.
Protest the religious right by attacking a mom and pop restaurant.
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rsmartin
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Posted 07/07/12
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Simon, I guess you're not "sensationalizing" the title; you're downright point blank lying. No one is keeping the religious people from eating--or even trying to. He is merely asking for equal treatment.
The restaurant is lying when she says she isn't breaking any laws. The law of Pennsylvania forbids her to discriminate against religion. She goes and does exactly that.
And kicks up a big fuss when told to get her house in order and obey the law.
So it may be true that atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Wika, etc. can go into the church and pick up a bulletin to earn their ten percent discount. But how hypocritical is that? And the Christians will be the first to point it out. Also, garbage cans and dumpsters--not to mention roadsides and curbs--will get filled up and littered with all those unwanted bulletins if they're used only as currency. Is that really what Christians want?
And look at all the trees it costs...
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rsmartin
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Quote: Originally Posted by TheProblemOfAtheism What a terrible thing to do.
Protest the religious right by attacking a mom and pop restaurant.
I guess a person who sees atheism as a problem would say that.
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Drea
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Posted 07/07/12
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Quote: Originally Posted by Matthias If not then there's obviously religious discrimination, just as surely as if they offered a Muslim Tuesdays discount.
Maybe I just don't care enough about some things, but I can't see myself getting offended if someone offered a Muslim Tuesday discount. Neither would it be an offense to me (if I were a man) if someone offered "lady's discount". Apparently, that's their thing, that's how they want to operate their business. If I did have a problem with it, I'd just go elsewhere and tell everyone I know to go elsewhere, for what sense does it make for me to fight for a right to a discounted rate at a restaurant I already have qualms with? Why fight for that right for anyone's sake? If anything, just boycott the business.
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bdsimon
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Posted 07/07/12
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Quote: Originally Posted by DreaQuote: Originally Posted by Matthias If not then there's obviously religious discrimination, just as surely as if they offered a Muslim Tuesdays discount. Maybe I just don't care enough about some things, but I can't see myself getting offended if someone offered a Muslim Tuesday discount. Neither would it be an offense to me (if I were a man) if someone offered "lady's discount". Apparently, that's their thing, that's how they want to operate their business. If I did have a problem with it, I'd just go elsewhere and tell everyone I know to go elsewhere, for what sense does it make for me to fight for a right to a discounted rate at a restaurant I already have qualms with? Why fight for that right for anyone's sake? If anything, just boycott the business. The funny part is the man has never been there and did it "out of a feeling against the prevailing self-righteousness that stems from religion" and the Prudhommes don't even go to church themselves and were using this as a marketing ploy. I agree with Drea- people should learn to chill. There are plenty of places that do exactly what she said in the form of a "Ladies Night". Don't like it? Don't go there. I also disagree that this is some form of religious descrimination- anyone can take a church bulletin and get the discount.
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rsmartin
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Posted 07/08/12
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Quote: Originally Posted by DreaQuote: Originally Posted by Matthias If not then there's obviously religious discrimination, just as surely as if they offered a Muslim Tuesdays discount. Maybe I just don't care enough about some things, but I can't see myself getting offended if someone offered a Muslim Tuesday discount. Neither would it be an offense to me (if I were a man) if someone offered "lady's discount". Apparently, that's their thing, that's how they want to operate their business. If I did have a problem with it, I'd just go elsewhere and tell everyone I know to go elsewhere, for what sense does it make for me to fight for a right to a discounted rate at a restaurant I already have qualms with? Why fight for that right for anyone's sake? If anything, just boycott the business.
That is precisely what he is doing. If you read the article, you will see that it is his goal to boycott the unfair preference with which Christianity treats its own at the cost of everyone else. Obviously, no one can take on the whole of Christianity in the United States. But he can start by raising a stink about it.
That the Christians on this forum refuse to see it for what it is, is indicative of how willfully blind and how politically strong the religion really is in our society. You don't even have to carry signs saying "God hates atheists." It's an "everyone knows it" item.
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rsmartin
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Quote: Originally Posted by bdsimon anyone can take a church bulletin and get the discount.
You don't address the issues I raise in Post 7 regarding this. I think I raise legitimate concerns that at least deserve to be acknowledged.
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Chris9809
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Posted 07/08/12
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Quote: Originally Posted by rsmartin Simon, I guess you're not "sensationalizing" the title; you're downright point blank lying. No one is keeping the religious people from eating--or even trying to. He is merely asking for equal treatment.
The restaurant is lying when she says she isn't breaking any laws. The law of Pennsylvania forbids her to discriminate against religion. She goes and does exactly that.
And kicks up a big fuss when told to get her house in order and obey the law.
So it may be true that atheists, Muslims, Hindus, Wika, etc. can go into the church and pick up a bulletin to earn their ten percent discount. But how hypocritical is that? And the Christians will be the first to point it out. Also, garbage cans and dumpsters--not to mention roadsides and curbs--will get filled up and littered with all those unwanted bulletins if they're used only as currency. Is that really what Christians want?
And look at all the trees it costs...
I wasn't aware atheism was a religion
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bdsimon
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Quote: Originally Posted by rsmartinQuote: Originally Posted by bdsimon anyone can take a church bulletin and get the discount. You don't address the issues I raise in Post 7 regarding this. I think I raise legitimate concerns that at least deserve to be acknowledged. She is not discriminating against religion- anyone can get the discount. This man is spiteful and is doing this out of spite as I mentioned. Thus I believe my title was sensationalized- he does want not the religious to eat... at that restaurant for a discount.
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Cata
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Posted 07/08/12
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I don't see why the state can bar a small private business from encouraging church attendance (not very much, though) when churches generally supply a lot of money to charitable acts.
Since you don't need to be Christian to get this discount and regardless of what you are you have to do the same amount of work to get it I don't see how you could come up with a legal case against this at all. Whether the Christian is logical or not according to atheists has nothing to do whether or not the government should be allowed to force her to stop.
Regarding your definition of discrimination, rsmartin, would sites like ChristianMingle (not that I approve of such a site) be guilty of discriminating against religion since they primarily offer their services to Christians?
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